Mary Shaffer talks about John Brekke’s outdoor demonstration at NYU. Oral history interview with Mary Shaffer by Catherine Whalen and Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, March 21, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:46.

Mary Shaffer: At New York University, we did a street—well, the first day when I was teaching there, my department chair came in and said, ‘We’re not giving you any of our students. You have to go find your own.” Which was a shock, cause classes started, like, in a week. So anyhow, one of the things I did to get students was with John Brekke, who was at Bent Glass in Queens, he worked there sometimes, he and I built this small furnace. A portable small furnace. And we had it on the streets of New York, and we actually—or he actually—taught people how to blow glass. Anybody could come up and he would show them how to blow glass. And that was promotion for my classes.