Mary Shaffer discusses being reviewed in fine art magazines and being considered a conceptual artist. Oral history interview with Mary Shaffer by Catherine Whalen and Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, March 21, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:47.

Mary Shaffer: I was more of a conceptual artist there. I was showing in main art galleries like the OK Harris Gallery [New York, New York] and the Warren Benedek Gallery [New York, New York] and being written about by Art News and stuff like that, so I was not—I was in the glass world, but I was also in the other world. I had my foot in both. So I didn’t, and I wasn’t—people in the craft world wanted to sell their work. I didn’t really care if I sold it or not. I mean, I needed the money. In 1977, I lived on four thousand dollars supporting two children—so I obviously needed money then, but it wasn’t my primary purpose.