Jay Musler discusses Marvin Lipofsky. Oral history interview with Jay Musler by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, September 5, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 01:48.

Jay Musler: Well, let’s see—I first met Marvin in 1968? And [clears throat] you know, I went—I took a summer session at the California College of Arts & Crafts [California College of the Arts, formerly California College of Arts & Crafts, Oakland, California], and he said, ‘Oh, sure, come on in to the class.’ And so I was new to it and—but you know. Most of the time he wasn’t there. [laughs] And when he was there, he made his presence felt. [laughs] I mean, he was confrontational, and—but you can get around that. And I would talk to him occasionally, but I really got to know Marvin in the nineties. I had a studio in San Francisco, and we had to leave because they were going to tear down the building. So I was—one day I was walking through Berkeley, where I had moved, and I ran into him on the street and I told him my situation, and he says, ‘Oh, I have a studio for rent.’ So I rented from him for 17 years. And I’d see him occasionally. If not almost every day, at least once a week. [laughs] And, you know—he was a complainer. That’s the best I can do to explain—but also, he was a very generous person, I thought—and very knowledgeable.