Pilchuck Glass School

Stanwood, Washington

Pilchuck Campus, by Stephen Vest, © Pilchuck Glass School.

Introduction

Introduction

Pilchuck opened near Stanwood, Washington in 1971. Dale Chihuly, inspired by his summertime teaching experience at the Haystack Mountain School of Crafts in the remote woods of Deer Isle, Maine, envisioned a similar summer school in the forests of his native Washington State, but one devoted entirely to glass. In the spring of 1971, Chihuly, then a young faculty member at the Rhode Island School of Design (RISD), and Ruth Tamura, director of the glass program at the California College of Art and Design (later California College of the Arts), received a grant from the Union of Independent Colleges of Art (UICA) to start a summer glass workshop. Haystack board member and weaver Jack Lenor Larsen suggested that Chihuly contact art patrons John H. and Anne Gould Hauberg about a site for the workshop. The Haubergs, who owned a large tree farm about fifty miles north of Seattle, invited the workshop to use the property, and  Pilchuck ultimately settled there with the Haubergs’ support. Pilchuck’s focus on a single medium, glass, set it apart from other well-known residential craft schools. It quickly became an important center for glass education, attracting a long list of studio glass artists as students and teachers. Pilchuck has no standing faculty; glass artists travel from all over the world to teach, assist, and learn there.

This section outlines Pilchuck’s early history. It recounts how students and teachers created the campus from the ground up in the first decade; discusses Chihuly’s changing role; tells how the school fostered artistic exchange, including exchange across artistic media within the U.S. and internationally, and how it helped anchor the development of glassworking in the Pacific Northwest. In addition, the section features interviews and correspondence with James Carpenter, Paul DeSomma, Kate Elliott, Michael Glancy, Ferd Hampson, William Morris, Jay Musler, Andrew Page, Flo Perkins, Mary Shaffer, and Toots Zynsky conducted between 2016 and 2021. It also includes excerpts from 1982 interviews by Paul Hollister with William Carlson, Joey Kirkpatrick, and Klaus Moje; a transcript of a 1984 interview with Moje; transcripts of 1984 audio recordings made for Hollister by Kirkpatrick and Flora Mace and by Jay Musler; and a recording by Dan Dailey, c.1989–90. Hollister’s research and publications about Pilchuck-affiliated American and international artists are highlighted throughout.

Toots Zynsky characterizes Pilchuck as “a center for learning every possible type of glassmaking in the world.”

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Toots Zynsky characterizes Pilchuck as “a center for learning every possible type of glassmaking in the world.” Oral history interview with Toots Zynsky, March 22, 2018, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:57.

Toots Zynsky: Yeah, I mean the great place—one of the great things I think about places like Pilchuck [Pilchuck Glass School, Stanwood, Washington] or you know, any of the other places which even have more, you know, diff—a larger variety of different mediums being explored and that kind of interchange that happens—at Pilchuck, I mean, I think inarguably it’s probably the most single most important center for learning every possible different kind of glassmaking in the world. So, you know, you might go there with a thought to do this, but then you get there and then there are all these other amazing things going on that you hadn’t maybe thought about or seen before or been able to have facility to try. And that’s the beauty of those kinds of places, that you can do all that.

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Mary Shaffer discusses Pilchuck’s origins.

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Mary Shaffer

Mary Shaffer discusses Pilchuck’s origins. Oral history interview with Mary Shaffer by Catherine Whalen and Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, March 21, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 02:03.

Mary Shaffer: So Dale [Chihuly] had the idea, just like Richard Yelle wanted to start up a public glass place, Dale had the idea of starting a glass school to be near his mother, because his mother lived in Seattle, and she—you know, his brother had died when he was quite young. So my husband Hardu [Keck] helped him write the proposal along with another RISD professor, both of those together—I forget his name offhand—helped Dale write the stuff. And we would tell Dale little tricks like, ‘Oh, always fly—’ I would say, God, because my father was a captain for Pan-American, so I would get to fly first class and I would sit next to these amazing people that would usually offer me a job. And so I said, ‘Dale, fly first class, you really meet a lot of people that can help you.’ So anyhow, that was one thing that he did and he did get a lot of connections that way, but. So Pilchuck was started, as you probably know, because a lot of other people know it better, and they made their own houses—and Toots [Zynsky] was one of the students that went out with him, and Buster Simpson was there. Fritz Dreisbach was there. A bunch of people you probably know. I think Dan Dailey was one of the early people out there—so they went out and they built their houses, their little houses out of leftover materials and started this glass school, which was fantastic. And then once it really got going with more money and more space, then he decided he wanted to upscale it. So that’s when he decided he wanted to have visiting artists there that would do their own work. So that was great.

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Making Pilchuck

Making Pilchuck

In 1971, Pilchuck’s inaugural group of students and teachers came from across the United States. As a condition of Pilchuck’s founding grant from the UICA, each of the consortium’s eight art schools—Dale Chihuly’s and Ruth Tamura’s home institutions among them—were invited to send two students free of charge. Chihuly’s RISD students included Toots Zynsky; James Carpenter, John Landon, and Robert Hendrickson served as instructors. Tamura brought students from the California College of Art and Design, in Oakland. William Carlson attended from the Cleveland Institute of Art. Pilchuck was an empty field that first summer. Students and faculty camped in tents in the Pacific Northwest rain, ate meals at a communal table, and set about building a temporary hot shop, which would take the form of a tree pole structure with a sewn-together tarp roof, two furnaces, and an annealing oven. Although glass was made, the early years at Pilchuck were more about community building than blowing lasting objects. It would take several years for the school to become a center of glass creation.

Further Reading: Tina Oldknow, Pilchuck: A Glass School (Seattle: Pilchuck Glass School in association with the University of Washington Press, 1996).

In this 1982 interviewer with Paul Hollister, William Carlson speaks about his use of core drilling and its place in his overall design strategy, questions his use of millefiori as embellishment, and discusses how the “very rigid design definition” in his pieces differs from the open-ended forms in Dale Chihuly’s work.

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William Carlson

In this 1982 interview with Paul Hollister, William Carlson speaks about his use of core drilling and its place in his overall design strategy, questions his use of millefiori as embellishment, and discusses how the “very rigid design definition” in his pieces differs from the open-ended forms in Dale Chihuly’s work. Interview with William Carlson by Paul Hollister, February 24, 1982. (Rakow title: William Carlson interview [sound recording] / with Paul Hollister, BIB ID: 168582) Clip length: 06:42.

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Clip 1: William Carlson talks about core drilling in his work. Clip length: 01:26.

William Carlson (WC): Those dots that begin to work to help define that infinity and just be another element of the piece. I don’t think any of these pieces—

Paul Hollister (PH): How are the dots achieved? What are they drilled?

WC: Oh, yeah. They’re all core drilled. So I have a core drill that has one outside diameter. And then I have another core drill that has a comparable inside diameter to that outside diameter. They’re all glass. So it’s just drilling a hole and having another plug apply if it is the same size as that hole. Yeah. Now, on the pieces I have here—

PH: [inaudible] of clear glass.

WC: —Nope. It’s the black glass.

PH: Black glass. Okay.

WC: On the two pieces that have—three pieces that have the dots, on the new work, they’re all on the inside, so they’ll have clear glass laminated over them so that they are captive in that chamber. With the newer pieces, I have and I have dots on the exterior, so the black will have a contrast, so instead of being black as an exterior, having that black be very foreboding and to find the piece, the dots are going to begin to break that up. And I think that should be a good design element, too, so I began to change away from just that black, which is—really helped really is awfully confining to the piece. And the dot’s going to help that movement, it’s another design element.

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Clip 2: Wiliam Carlson talks about millefiori in his work. Clip length: 01:42.

Paul Hollister (PH): You’re back to the old millefiori in this triangle.

William Carlson (WC): Yeah. I’m still doing that.

PH: Nice.

WC: And— the thing is, I guess for me right now. That’s a tough one. Cause I know sometimes it’s not a very attractive type of image to use, because it is true to traditions of glass. And it is so seductive because of all the colors and the movement and all the things that go along with that millefiori technique, but it’s also hard for me to always make that be a part of the pieces. Some of them I think, formally and sculpturally I don’t always need that kind of embellishment of an area. With a lot of these I’ve used just the grid patterns that have overlapped—

PH: Mmm. The wiring.

WC: —yeah, that gives me an element that to me has very much the same kind of detailing with a little less, I guess a hot glass involvement. And I still like those and I still need to work with those, but I don’t know if they’re there as appropriate as they seemed to be a few months ago or back in June when I was, when I had the [inaudible].

PH: Can you get so, if you didn’t use the millefiori you get some that you’d use almost cold glass?

WC: Yeah, cold glass.

PH: Just laminate.

WC: Yeah. Cold glass laminations of the—it could either be the Vitrolite, it could be clear glass, could be the wire glass. The thing is that so many of the pieces are angular at this point to introduce a soft interior—

PH: Round.

WC: —that has a kind of animation that those milliforie have, it’s a bit inconsistent. I mean, it’s not always a solution. I’m still committed to try to follow through with those and try to find out where they fit.

PH: I agree. I agree with you.

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Clip 3: William Carlson talks about millefiore as an element of the “magic” of glass. Clip length: 01:37.

William Carlson: Well, originally the idea those—the pieces that came that were slumped had an animation to them because as they slumped I never had the mold filled very tightly, so there were, there was a lot of glass process stuff that could happen that I wasn’t always in total control of, and these pieces are so controlled because of the cutting and the grinding that I have to go through. So it was really nice to have an element that had that kind of magic that was glass. Still I was controlled to a certain extent, but there was a lot of things that happened that I wasn’t always aware of, that I would kind of see after the fact, and that was nice. [inaudible] that phenomena is the found objects and to begin to work with that.

Paul Hollister: I think that’s a good point for the view is the contrast of the careful machine ground and lathed and cut areas and general shapes and then the heavy with contrasting things. You really, you don’t quite know what you have [inaudible] rods in and let ‘em sag and melt and so forth. It’s almost like birds caught in a trap or a cage. It has the feel of something alive [inaudible] millefiori caught in this machine, caught in this trap.

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Clip 4: William Carlson discusses rigidity in his practice. Clip length: 01:38.

William Carlson (WC): Well, you know, I feel that in looking at my work, and I think something that kind of comes up all the time is that I picked this from very formal forms sculpturally, whether they’re sculptures or and whether they allude to function as the bottles did. The bottles had very severe geometric shapes and always in very controlled fashion. They weren’t too loose. And I envy—some of Chihuly’s stuff was just kind of off the wall, just kind of loose and you know, it has—it’s still moving. My work is never, I’ve never allowed that to happen to my work. And I guess maybe I should either loosen up or I should just appreciate what I can, what I like best, obviously [inaudible] fine shape, but—I’ve never allowed my forms, even when they weren’t glass, when they were clay forms, when they were paintings when they were sculpture forms and in metal or plastic or whatever. There’s always been a very rigid kind of design definition to much of the work—not allowing a lot of really open-ended kinds of forms. They’ve always been very resolved and very kind of conclusive. These bars, you know, top and bottom—repetitive forms or whatever. So that’s obviously the, that’s the choice that I must make each time, but I with those bottles, they certainly were framed with the black, and they—you were only allowed to look at that interior one, one or two or three different ways through the different portholes that I would grind and polish, but I—it was a very selective kind of way of viewing the piece. And it still was just as confined.

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Writings by Paul Hollister Bibliography

“Light Affecting Form in Space: Glas von William Carlson / William Carlson’s Glasswork.” Neues Glas, no. 2 (1982): 84–88.

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First hot shop, 1971. Image courtesy of Pilchuck Glass School.

John Landon’s tipi with Debbie Goldenthal (left) and Toots Zynsky, 1971. Image courtesy of Toots Zynsky.

Toots Zynsky talks about her early experience with Pilchuck.

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Toots Zynsky talks about her early experience with Pilchuck. Oral history interview with Toots Zynsky, March 22, 2018, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:45.

Toots Zynsky: That was the semester Dale had decided to build Pilchuck [Pilchuck Glass School, Stanwood, Washington] and he was looking for people and, you know, he kept asking me to go out and I had other plans for the summer and I kept going,’“No. It’s okay [laughs], you know, you got plenty of people, you know, it’ll be fine.’ And then he sent John Landon, who still works for him, and Buster Simpson, who I later did a lot of collaboration with, and somebody else to convince me. And it was just because I was a hard worker. Because I thought I might only be there one semester, I’d given myself that one. So I wound up, you know, going out, building Pilchuck, getting pretty involved with that. So that’s how I got involved in glass.

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Michael Glancy talks about Dale Chihuly and the crossover between RISD and Pilchuck.

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Michael Glancy talks about Dale Chihuly and the crossover between RISD and Pilchuck. Oral history interview with Michael Glancy by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, October 9, 2018, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 01:49.

Michael Glancy: It kind of goes back to Chihuly and the Rhode Island School of Design and the remarkable number of people that were involved in that program and then went out into, literally, the world, with Toots Zynsky going to Amsterdam, with Bruce Chao being head of Ohio State’s program, and then that was replaced with Richard Harned. And there were West Coast kind of realities, but Pilchuck was created by Dale Chihuly while he was in his tenure at Rhode Island School of Design, and populated in great part by his friends, who were asked to be faculty, and his students, who were then given the opportunity to be teaching assistants. Like, 1977, you lived at Pilchuck in tents. It’s the Pacific Northwest, incredibly beautiful, but trees don’t grow unless it rains, and it rains all the time, and people there don’t talk about it because it’s so important. If it doesn’t rain, the trees don’t grow, and here Pilchuck is in the—is 50 square acres in the middle of a five-square-mile experimental tree farm, so, and so in ’77 it was wet and damp—and you’re in a platform tent, and you have to walk up the hill, and you had to lie on your sleeping bag for 30 minutes just to get enough body heat in it so you could separate it and get into it, this clammy sock, you know.

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Toots Zynsky discusses her time at RISD and early Pilchuck.

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Toots Zynsky discusses her time at RISD and early Pilchuck. Oral history interview with Toots Zynsky, March 23, 2018, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 01:44.

Toots Zynsky: So I was very lucky because I had, at the end of my freshman year, decided not to take a leave of absence, probably a withdrawal from RISD, and happened quite accidentally on the glass shop, which they had just finished really building and was listed as a ceramic storage room. And I saw it and it’s like, ‘Oh my God, what is this?’ and people were just moving around, totally—it looked like this amazing spontaneous choreography to me with something music playing and glass swirling through the air and I [inaudible] withdrawn from school and actually continued for the next nine months to look at medical schools. And but the glass kept teasing [laughs] the back of my brain and having worked so hard to get into RISD, I determined that I was going to RISD when I was 11 years old, and I thought, ‘Okay I should give myself one semester. I’m giving myself one semester to go back and really work at it, get as good as I can so I can see if there’s really something there or it’s just gonna be an infatuation,’ because it was clear that everyone seeing glass blown for the first time is totally infatuated by it. And I wanted to know if there was really something there so I did work really hard and then Dale asked me to go out and help build Pilchuck [Pilchuck Glass School, Stanwood, Washington], so Jamie [James] Carpenter and I, two of the people drove out together to Pilchuck. That in itself was a weird adventure, I’d never been West, and that was it. It grabbed me.

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Experimentation

Although Pilchuck eventually focused exclusively on glass, it offered instruction in a range of media in its earliest days. For instance, Buster Simpson, an artist working in video, was a core faculty member when photography, video, and audio were course options. Toots Zynsky was among the artists who experimented with other media in collaboration with Simpson, creating a performance work in which she used contact microphones to record the sound of glass shattering. Even though Chihuly split with Simpson in 1973 and deliberately moved Pilchuck in a glass-only direction, other artists continued working with Simpson after he left the fold. Among them was James Carpenter, who in 1975 enlisted Simpson’s assistance in making a film on salmon migration for an installation piece.

 

 

 

 

Audio and video recording of Fritz Dreisbach blowing glass (Buster Simpson, left), 1972. Image courtesy of Pilchuck Glass School.

“I went to Pilchuck that summer [1974]. Dale was teaching, Jamie Carpenter was teaching, and the other teacher was Fritz Dreisbach. And Fritz was pretty wild and loose with the hot glass, and it was great. And that was the turn-on for me. How loose Fritz was with it. And Jamie and Dale were doing interesting stuff, and this is post-neon and hot glass blocks. And—oh, they were doing the RISD ring vase pieces, and it was just in the beginning of people figuring out, learning how to work together like the Italians. So that was interesting.”

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Toots Zynsky discusses early multimedia offerings at Pilchuck.

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Toots Zynsky working on Time/Release video project, with artist Duan Hall assisting, 1973. Image courtesy of Toots Zynsky.

James Carpenter, Migration, filmed in 1975 (camera work by Buster Simpson). Installation view. Image courtesy of James Carpenter Design Associates (JCDA). Photo: Dan Reiser.

James Carpenter discusses a film he made on salmon migration with Buster Simpson.

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James Carpenter discusses a film he made on salmon migration with Buster Simpson. Oral history interview with James Carpenter by Barb Elam and Jesse Merandy, September 20, 2018, JCDA Studios, New York, New York. Clip length: 02:30.

James Carpenter: I did a lot of work in film in the seventies which was a little bit of this outgrowth of doing, actually etching film images onto glass and projecting light and images on glass in the early seventies. And it morphed more into actually doing small films, sort of groups of films, that were shown, basically connecting back to the Nature Lab and all of that too. Going to one of the ones that is in the museum over in Germany is that going in, while I was being at Pilchuck with Buster Simpson who was one of the other people who helped start Pilchuck, we set up a whole scaffolding over a river and used a series of seven cameras looking down into the surface of the river and there was actually salmon migration taking place. So we actually have this group of films that are moving up the stream, and you actually get them from one film frame to the next one, next one, the movement of the fish going up. And that was sort of shown as a sculpture of film installation sculpture so you walk into the gallery and there is basically a river running on the floor and the fish are moving up through it. But, what happens is that if you change the timing of the film a little bit, slow it down slightly, print a couple frames for each regional frame, you can then then actually get a more staccato sort of movement, not slow motion, but more like little electrical quality to it. It made you realize what you’re actually looking at when you hold that image for a second longer—is that certainly you are looking at the bottom of the river and the fish in the river. But you—all of the sudden you realize you are looking at a perfect image of the sky overhead. So that, that in a way I use that as a way of thinking about glass, it’s this material that has sort of a field of information on the top of it, and it has a field of information within itself, and then there is obviously a field of information beyond it.  So the glass has this, for me, a capacity of being a way of collecting fragments of the world around us into what is otherwise referred to as a transparent material. And I find that very odd, that we think of glass as a transparent material where is has no physical presence, it’s basically just an aperture to the world outside, but it’s not being given any characteristics of its own, other than transparency, but  within transparency is this opportunity to get reflected image and refraction, you know there is more to the optical properties of the material.

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Flo Perkins discusses a letter she got from Dale Chihuly encouraging her to come to Pilchuck.

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Flo Perkins discusses a letter she got from Dale Chihuly encouraging her to come to Pilchuck. Oral history interview with Flo Perkins by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, August 20, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:20.

Flo Perkins: Because I have a letter from Dale with an original poster from Pilchuck, telling me, ‘Oh, I should try coming to this program in the summer.’ And the poster’s black and white and it’s got all the RISD [Rhode Island School of Design] ring vases on it. They’d just finished building the hot shop. It was the first summer of the hot shop, I think, 1974.

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Flo Perkins talks about taking her bicycle on a train across Canada to meet Dale Chihuly.

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Flo Perkins talks about taking her bicycle on a train across Canada to meet Dale Chihuly. Oral history interview with Flo Perkins by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, August 20, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:19.

Flo Perkins: And that summer I took a train across Canada with my bicycle to Pilchuck because I wanted to see, ‘Who was Dale Chihuly?’ And he had the graduate program at RISD [Rhode Island School of Design], and did I want to go there?

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Flo Perkins talks about staying in tents and the weather at Pilchuck.

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Flo Perkins talks about staying in tents and the weather at Pilchuck. Oral history interview with Flo Perkins by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, August 20, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:25.

Flo Perkins: I’ve never been so wet in my life. Cause we were living in those tents. Pilchuck was—only the hot shop was built, that was it. Everything else was a tent. The cook tent, the—everything was an army tent, it was a riot, actually. Oh, we were soaking. All the time. And you’d come down and dry your clothes all out in the hot shop, at least there was that.

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Flo Perkins talks about students at Pilchuck in 1974.

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Flo Perkins talks about students at Pilchuck in 1974. Oral history interview with Flo Perkins by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, August 20, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:16.

Flo Perkins: So that would be Pilchuck, 1974. And then the thing is you learn a lot from everybody else, and it was an interesting group of people. Ben [Benjamin] Moore was a student, Eric Hopkins was a student, Mark McDonald. I’m trying to think who, you know, those were people who were in that session.

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Placemaking

During Pilchuck’s first few years, work often went beyond making glass to making the place itself. The first summer, while most people camped, John Landon built a housing structure—a “Sioux-style” tipi. In 1972, the second summer, Pilchuck’s “campus” had nearly fifty residents, and many set about creating their own dwellings from such items as discarded window frames and doors and thrift shop materials. Several homes, including instructor Buster Simpson’s, incorporated tree stumps into their structures. Artist Therman Statom made his version of a yurt. James Carpenter and Dutch artist Barbara Vaessen created a delicate, all-glass structure with stained-glass windows made by Vaessen. Many homes were re-used and remodeled, but by 1974 students were no longer allowed to build their own abodes, and by 1977 a large percentage of them had been torn down. However, in 1981 instructors Flora Mace and Joey Kirkpatrick were given special permission to build their own home on the Pilchuck site. The structure is still used by the school. In 1995 artist Hank Murta Adams, with the help of students, built Trojan Horse, a tribute to Pilchuck’s early artist-built homes.

Buster Simpson’s Stump House, 1972. Image courtesy of Pilchuck Glass School.

James Carpenter and Barbara Vaessen’s house, 1973. Image courtesy of Pilchuck Glass School.

Shelter by Dan Holmes, 1972. Image courtesy of Pilchuck Glass School.

“I convinced my father that it was a good idea for me to go there so I took the train from Chicago in June 1972….I was there all ten weeks basically living under a plastic bag held up by sticks to stay dry. I remember only about one or two weeks of sunshine that summer. It was a muddy mess of building the glass shop and moving the furnaces and cooking and occasionally being able to blow glass.”

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Flora Mace and Joey Kirkpatrick building their Pilchuck home, 1981. Image courtesy of Flora Mace and Joey Kirkpatrick.

Flora Mace in the Pilchuck home she and Joey Kirkpatrick were building, 1981. Image courtesy of Flora Mace and Joey Kirkpatrick.

Hank Murta Adams with his Trojan Horse, 1995. Image courtesy of Hank Murta Adams.

Detail of Hank Murta AdamsTrojan Horse, undated. Image courtesy of Hank Murta Adams.

Pilchuck’s Changing Campus

Over time, Pilchuck gradually replaced its makeshift infrastructure with permanent facilities. The hot shop that had been painstakingly built by students and faculty during the school’s first summer had to be rebuilt the following year. However, more lasting facilities were needed. John Hauberg asked architect Thomas Bosworth, who was involved with Pilchuck and later became the school’s director, to design a hot shop. The resulting rustic log structure, completed in the summer of 1973, was the first of seventeen buildings Bosworth designed for the campus. Several, including the hot shop, won architecture awards, and all were made of exposed timbers that blended in with the surrounding landscape. A flat shop for stained glass and other projects was built in 1976, and a large-scale lodge for lectures and community dining—a longstanding Pilchuck tradition—was completed a year later. Although Bosworth added faculty cottages and a bathhouse in 1977, the first official student residences (two small cottages) were not built until 1980. Between 1974 and that time, student accommodations were limited to tents on a platform. Pilchuck later included an artists-in-residence studio and full-scale dorm, built in 1983 and 1984, respectively. A cold shop and studio building were added in 1986.

 

Pilchuck Lodge, designed by Thomas Bosworth and built in 1977. Photo: Alec Miller. 2014 © Pilchuck Glass School.
Pilchuck hot shop, designed by Thomas Bosworth and built in 1973. Pilchuck Glass School, 1982. Photo: Henry Halem.
Pilchuck flat shop, designed by Thomas Bosworth and built in 1976 (French doors were added later). Pilchuck Glass School, 1982. Image courtesy of Pilchuck Glass School.

Campus housing, upper cottages, designed by Thomas Bosworth and built in 1979. Pilchuck Glass School, 2018, © Pilchuck Glass School.

Staff housing, designed by Weinstein Copeland Architects, built beginning in 1998. Pilchuck Glass School, 2018, © Pilchuck Glass School.

Artist Networks

Artist Networks

Pilchuck has interconnected educators, students, and makers regionally, nationally, and internationally. Their roles have overlapped at the school, which has continued to operate on Chihuly’s founding philosophy of “artists teaching artists.” Independent professional artists, tenured academics, and graduate students have served as faculty and mentors at Pilchuck, where they have been able to use the facilities to make their own work with the help of teaching assistants. Conversely, full-fledged professional artists have often enrolled as students to learn from their peers and expand their skills.

Dale Chihuly conversing with Pilchuck instructors and students, pictured clockwise from center foreground: Peter Larsen (plaid long-sleeved shirt), Phil Hastings (glasses), Parran Sledge (background, behind Hastings), James Carpenter, Chihuly, Kate Elliott (behind dog), Debbie Goldenthal, Elaine Hyde (blonde hair), Kerry Marshall (far right), Robin Orcutt (right foreground), 1972. Image courtesy of Kate Elliott. Photo: Bruce Bartoo.

Teaching

Well-known glass artists from the United States and abroad have taught at Pilchuck. Early instructors were often friends of Chihuly’s. Among them were Italo Scanga, an Italian sculptor on the RISD faculty, and Fritz Dreisbach, who taught for six consecutive summers in the school’s formative years. Dreisbach continued to teach off and on after that, and later was a Pilchuck trustee. Many other instructors also returned repeatedly. Studio glass artists who frequently taught at Pilchuck include Sonja Blomdahl, Dan Dailey, Michael Glancy, Henry Halem, Joey Kirkpatrick, Walter Lieberman, Flora Mace, Richard Marquis, Benjamin Moore, William Morris, Richard Royal, Therman Statom, Dick Weiss, and Ann Wolff. Pilchuck embraced the collaborative team approach often found in European glass factories, with the resut that teaching assistants—gaffers who help execute instructors’ and students’ ideas—have played an important role at the school.

As class sessions and techniques were added, the roster of teachers grew. While hot glass had always been the school’s focus, warm glass techniques—including fusing, slumping, and sand casting—and cold processes such as engraving and stained glass making, also were popular. Ginny Ruffner was a long-time teacher of flameworking, and Narcissus Quagliata, Susan Stinsmuehlen-Amend, Catherine “Cappy” Thompson, and Pike Powers were well known for their work in the flat shop. Some students and teachers later joined Pilchuck’s staff. Kate Elliott, an early Pilchuck student, eventually served as Chihuly’s professional assistant and taught classes with him at both RISD and Pilchuck. Powers was Pilchuck’s artistic director from 1993 to 2007.

 

Kate Elliott in back of a car at Pilchuck, 1972. Image courtesy of Kate Elliott. Photo: Bruce Bartoo.

“Kate Elliott was important because later, when she opened Elliott Brown Gallery in Seattle, it was the best gallery on the scene. It was small and thoughtful, rather than big and splashy and giving discounts all over the place. Kate never asked me to “split the discount” or any other expenses for that matter. Her business ethics were excellent in my experience, her taste was impeccable, and her understanding of everyone was thorough, of artists, historians, and collectors alike. It was a wonderful time. Kate has always been a great supporter of Dale and has done many, many kind and responsible things for and with him regarding his career, many of them in the wings. I have plenty of respect for Kate.”

Flo Perkins

Paul DeSomma talks about Kate Elliott.

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Paul DeSomma talks about Kate Elliott. Oral history interview with Paul DeSomma by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, October 29, 2020, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:41.

Paul DeSomma: I believe in the early seventies Kate [Elliott] and Dale [Chihuly] were quite close, she worked on his teams—I think in Rhode Island. I’m not sure when she came west so, again, she was already on the team when I showed up. And Kate was an interim director of Pilchuck while I was there, and Kate also had a very important gallery in Seattle for quite a number of years. She was very close friends with Flora Mace and Joey Kirkpatrick, who I mentioned earlier that I spent a lot of years working with, so I got to know Kate through them as well.

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Joey Kirkpatrick and Flora Mace with Italo Scanga at Pilchuck, 1985. Image courtesy of Joey Kirkpatrick and Flora Mace.

Joey Kirkpatrick (left) and Susan Stinsmuehlen (later Stinsmuehlen-Amend) at Pilchuck, 1982. Photo: Henry Halem.

 

 

 

Michael Glancy (left) with Paul Marioni, 1979. Image courtesy of the Glancy Family.

Mary Shaffer discusses how Hardu Keck introduced Dale Chihuly to Italo Scanga.

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Mary Shaffer discusses how Hardu Keck introduced Dale Chihuly to Italo Scanga. Oral history interview with Mary Shaffer by Catherine Whalen and Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, March 21, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 01:58.

Mary Shaffer: You wanted to know about Hardu Keck, K-E-C-K, which was my first and only husband, former husband, he’s dead now, and he and I introduced—because I loved to cook and still do and have people all the time for dinner. And, and so we introduced Dale and Italo [Scanga]—at a dinner at our house—and they became really, really close friends. You know, and Hardu actually spoke at Italo’s funeral—and I just got a really nice letter from Italo’s kids wanting me to identify people in a photograph. So that was Bruce, Bruce Helander and in fact, people in this photograph ‘cause he ran the Provincetown Arts Center—one summer and everybody came out. Italo came out. I don’t think Dale came out, but Italo was there, Bruce Helander, who writes art criticism for The Huffington Post. He was in that photograph. Anyhow, let’s see. Yeah, no, Italo was an important person in the glass world—because he started using tools. He used glass. He loved to play in the hot shop and he was good. And then they started blowing these vases for him that he would put in front of his paintings. You know, these sort of installations, and he was very influential because—he was just so out there. I mean, I would be walking down the street in Providence, Rhode Island, a public street with traffic going to both the directions and he would be on the opposite side. He would drive his car across traffic—go up on the sidewalk and say, ‘Hey, Mary, how are you doing?’ That was Italo. You know? Wonderful.

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Michael Glancy, Maelstrom, made at Pilchuck Glass School, 1981. H: 13.3 cm, D: 18.5 cm. Collection of The Corning Museum of Glass, Corning, New York. Gift of the Chodorkoff Collection. (85.4.93).

Robert Carlson, Der Temple von Adam und Eva (Adam and Eve’s Temple), 1986, made at Pilchuck Glass School. Overall H: 64.5 cm, Diam (max): 24 cm. Collection of The Corning Museum of Glass, Corning, New York. Gift of Raymond E. Fontaine. (86.4.202).

Catherine “Cappy” Thompson, The Virgin and the Unicorn, made at Pilchuck Glass School with the assistance of William Morris, 1988. Overall H: 43.1 cm, Diam (max): 36.2 cm. Collection of The Corning Museum of Glass, Corning, New York. (90.4.131).

Paul DeSomma talks about Cappy [Catherine] Thompson.

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Paul DeSomma talks about Cappy [Catherine] Thompson. Oral history interview with Paul DeSomma by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, October 29, 2020, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 01:10.

Paul DeSomma: When I got there in ‘86, there were two new buildings that were just being—coming online on the Pilchuck property and that was the big new cold shop—cold working facility and another large building that we called the studio building where classes were held. And that consisted of some kilns on the—on the ground floor, work tables, and kilns on the main floor, and at that time Cappy [Catherine] Thompson was what we called the Studio Building Coordinator, so basically, whatever classes were being held in there, you know, she was responsible for the facility and getting them set up and giving them a place to work and, you know, making sure everything was—was going—going fine. I think Cappy taught some classes there as well too, she’s a quite a skilled painter on glass, and I got to know her—yeah, got to know her during those couple of years when she was still working there and then after Cappy stopped doing that job it was Roberta Eichenberg who stepped in for few more—a few seasons after that.

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International Exchange

U.S. and European artists have encountered one another at Pilchuck to their mutual benefit, making it an important center of artistic interchange. Americans with experience  working in glass abroad have come to the school as students and teachers. They include James Carpenter, Dan Dailey, Marvin Lipofsky, and Richard Marquis, all of whom had spent time in Venetian glass factories. Numerous international artists have taught at Pilchuck, beginning with Erwin Eisch of Germany during the school’s second summer. Among many others, Klaus Moje and Isgard Moje-Wohlgemuth came from Germany; Jaroslava Brychtová, Jiří Harcuba, and Stanislav Libensky from the former Czechoslovakia; Jan-Erik Ritzman, Bertil Vallien, and Ulrica Hudman-Vallien from Sweden; and Checco Ongaro and his brother-in-law, Lino Tagliapietra, from Italy. Just as European makers modeled long-established glass techniques and materials that were often grounded in factory systems, so too they observed how freely American artists worked outside such traditions. Some, like Tagliapietra, who in 1980 was one of Pilchuck’s earliest official artists-in-residence, eventually chose to leave their employment at glass firms and start their own studios as independent artists.

Toots Zynsky discusses Pilchuck connecting people from other regions and cultures.

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Writings by Paul Hollister Bibliography

“Die magische Anziehung Venedigs / The Pull of Venice.” Neues Glas, no. 1 (1990): 4–9.

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“Die magische Anziehung Venedigs / The Pull of Venice: Part 2.” Neues Glas, no. 2 (1990): 82–88.

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“International Artists Exhibit Their Glass.” New York Times, November 8, 1979, C3.

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Paul Hollister, “The Pull of Venice/Die magische Anziehung Venedigs,” Neues Glas, no. 1 (1990): p. 7.

Paul Hollister, “The Pull of Venice/Die magische Anziehung Venedigs: Part 2,” Neues Glas, no. 2 (1990): p. 85.

Paul Hollister, “The Pull of Venice/Die magische Anziehung Venedigs: Part 2,” Neues Glas, no. 2 (1990): p. 86.

James Carpenter at the marving table, Pilchuck Glass School, 1974. Image courtesy of Pilchuck Glass School.

James Carpenter vessels at Pilchuck, 1974. Image courtesy of Pilchuck Glass School.

“But when I was at Venini I sort of befriended one of the masters, this guy named Mario Grosso. I just sort of sat with him literally all day long and sort of watched. And at lunchtime I would do a little something and sort of help or one of the other guys would help or something, so I just sort of really tried to learn how to make glass. You know, not having done that. I mean Dale and I were just doing something totally different. Cause really I just learned how you could do more with it. And so I sort of focused on that for the year, just learning about making glass and then when I came back to Pilchuck, yes, that’s where we brought back working on the marving tables and all that stuff.”

James Carpenter
Artists-in-Residence Jaroslava Brychtová and Stanislav Libensky in their studio at Pilchuck Glass School, 1982. Photo: Henry Halem.

Stanislav Libensky and Jaroslava Brychtová, Family Eye, made at Pilchuck Glass School with the assistance of Benjamin Moore, Richard Royal, Flora Mace and Joey Kirkpatrick, 1982. Overall H: 20.5 cm, W: 28.8 cm, D: 25.2 cm. Collection of The Corning Museum of Glass, Corning, New York. Gift in part of Peter and Margarete Harnisch (2001.4.22).

Writings by Paul Hollister Bibliography

“Stanislav Libenský and Jaroslava Brychtová.” Glass, no. 56 (Summer 1994): 24–29.

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Paul Hollister, Stanislav Libensky and Jaroslava Brychtová,” Glass, no. 56 (Summer 1994): p. 25.

Paul Hollister, Stanislav Libensky and Jaroslava Brychtová,” Glass, no. 56 (Summer 1994): p. 29.

“in the early days, I mean, we would have spent a lot of time trying to reinvent a wheel that had already been invented, if it hadn’t have been for those people going over, bringing back techniques, information, methodology from…Europe.”

Toots Zynsky
Czech artist Dana Zamecnikova (right) with Dan Schwoerer, owner of Bullseye Glass Company, and his wife, Bullseye Projects director Lani McGregor, in the flat glass studio, Pilchuck Glass School, 1996. Photo: Henry Halem.

From left: Lino Tagliapietra, Ben Moore, and Martin Blank at Chihuly Studio, Seattle, Washington, 1988. Collection of The Rakow Research Library, The Corning Museum of Glass, Corning, New York. (CMGL 151356) © Marvin Lipofsky.

“So Lino [Tagliapietra] went out there two or three times to Seattle and was also invited back to Pilchuck again and again. And he started to have a new routine…and he would make things. And gradually he started to focus on making works of his own that were his own designs that cometo mepretty directly from the years and years of observation of the way the material behaves and the processes lead to form, and, you know, the way he wanted to kind of bring that into something that was his own, which is unusual compared to the normal path of those guys who are in such a tight community.”

Dan Dailey

Flo Perkins talks about the impact of Dale Chihuly making Pilchuk international.

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Flo Perkins talks about the impact of Dale Chihuly making Pilchuk international. Oral history interview with Flo Perkins by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, August 20, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:50.

Flo Perkins: Well, the most brilliant thing that Dale did was get the school to be international. That was brilliant and to get Ulrica [Hydman Vallien] and Bertil [Vallien] over and bring the Italians in, but he didn’t bring the Italians in until the early eighties,’82-3? I’m not really sure. I was having babies. And I sort of missed the initial Italian thing, but Dick [Richard Marquis] got me in a class with Lino [Tagliapietra] at Haystack [Haystack Mountain School of Crafts, Deer Isle, Maine] in—my child is—‘89 maybe? And that’s when I met Lino [Tagliapietra], and met—and understood the Italian thing and I went for three weeks to Haystack, and Lino was a teacher. And that was a crazy experience, but it changed my life. Because I love to blow glass, and I finally saw—he taught me how it works.

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Dan Dailey discusses meeting Lino Tagliapietra at Pilchuck.

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Dan Dailey discusses meeting Lino Tagliapietra at Pilchuck School of Glass. Oral history interview with Dan Dailey by Barb Elam, April 26, 2018, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 01:48.

Dan Dailey: Let’s see. I met Lino at Pilchuck. I was teaching a class. Ben Moore had invited Checco Ongaro to come to the school to—Venetian glassblower from Venini, and Checco—I already knew Checco cause I worked at Venini. But Checco came one summer and then deci—he got invited to come back. He said he couldn’t come, but he said, ‘What about taking my brother-in-law, who is Lino.’ Lino went, and when he came—I don’t know if that was the summer I met him or not. I think it could be the one after. Whatever it was, I speak Italian—they wanted him to be more involved in a class situation so Lino came with Lina  [Ongaro-Tagliapietra] and they were there for the whole class, and I would translate or make it as much as possible a dual lecture as much as a dual demo because the things that we were making were one thing, but people need time to talk and, so—it was good to be able to interact with the students that way—you know, interpret their questions to him—and the other way around—his comments. So I liked working with Lino and I was connected with Haystack [Haystack Mountain School of Crafts] at that time, on their board and so on, and I taught classes there too, so I invited Lino to teach a class with me at Haystack And I also asked Milton Glaser to come up during that time to Haystack, so that we were there, all in this kind of workshop. You know, Haystack’s a much different type of school—not class dedicated—and not so facility concentrated, very flexible studios, and minimal too. But, I think Lino appreciated the crudeness of that facility and what its purpose was to promote exchange and development of ideas and so on.

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Dan Dailey discusses Lino Tagliapietra severing ties with the Murano glass community in a recording for Paul Hollister (c. 1989-1990).

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Dan Dailey discusses Lino Tagliapietra severing ties with the Murano glass community. Dan Dailey Interview for Paul Hollister, c. 1989-1990 (Rakow title: Dan Dailey self-interview [sound recording] / for Paul Hollister, BIB ID: 168376) Clip length: 03:13.

Dan Dailey: Lino’s [Tagliapietra] an unusual person—in the context of that group of Italian glassblowers—on Murano because he’s left the fold, in a way, and you can tell just by last time I was there I walked around for three days or so by myself because Lino and Lina [Tagliapietra] went to Copenhagen. They just let me have their house, and I stayed there and drew for a while, and I walked around, and such a small place, naturally you see everybody out on the street all the time, that anybody that you meet once, you’re likely to see ten times in a few days. So I’d bump into people and they’d be talking to me about Lino, saying they’re sort of worried about him because he quit his job [sound of car], see? And he left the security of that situation. Well I think Lino’s likely to be a little nervous about it too, now and then, but he’s got enough going for him, and enough confidence in that to give him the courage to leave the situation. But it’s rare, you don’t hear about that very much in that tight little community. [tape pauses] And he’s very much in demand these days. You know, he’s been the main maker of things at the French glass center called CIRVA [International Center of Glass and Plastic Arts] in Marseilles. And he goes over there, maybe, for three or four days at a time, every other month, and they just published a little brochure of the art of CIRVA, and I would say that nine-tenths of the work pictured in the brochure [loud sound of gear shift] says, ‘This piece is by such-and-such an artist but made by Lino Tagliapietra.’ And of course he’s been working with Dale [Chihuly], working with me, and he’s starting some new things in Murano with this Japanese company that he’s dealing with, so I don’t think he’s feeling too out on a limb, he’s got enough security from these different projects that he’ll probably last a while longer before he goes back to regular employment with a boss and everything. But it certainly isn’t the normal thing for one of the Italian masters on Murano to do.

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Michael Glancy discusses how Lino Tagliapietra felt the glass tradition in Murano was dying.

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Michael Glancy discusses how Lino Tagliapietra felt the glass tradition in Murano was dying. Oral history interview with Michael Glancy by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, October 9, 2018, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:58.

Michael Glancy: The—glass, because of the Venetian tradition, I think, glass has always been very secretive, from the alchemists’ time to the fact that no Venetian glassworker would reveal their techniques outside of Murano because it’s a state secret, and their families would be imprisoned if they did—and so this is really quite controversial for Lino to have brought so much information out of Murano, but Lino said that the glass industry in Murano was dying making candy, glass candy and clowns for the tourists. You know, the only people that were doing anything significant were the Americans, and he’s going over there.

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Inviting Artists

Chihuly was adamant that Pilchuck stay focused on glass despite pressure from the board of trustees to add other media. At the same time, he consistently encouraged the school to bring in artists who were not known for working in glass. Chihuly’s own practice had successfully crossed over into the world of fine art, and over time a number of artists not primarily associated with glass were invited to spend time at Pilchuck. While some were teachers, many were artists-in-residence, such as Nicholas Africano, Judy Pfaff, Jacob Lawrence, Donald Lipski, William T. Wiley, Christopher Wilmarth, Nancy Graves, Ann Hamilton, Jana Serbak, and Willie Cole. Several artists who worked at Pilchuck also made pieces at New York Experimental Glass Workshop (later UrbanGlass). They included Lynda Benglis, Dennis Oppenheim, Kiki Smith, and architect/designer Maya Lin.

Artist-in-residence Christopher Wilmarth (left) with Joey Kirkpatrick as gaffer, 1983. Image courtesy of Joey Kirkpatrick and Flora Mace.

The whole idea of the artist-in-residence program was to bring in artists who had careers in what was considered the fine arts and introduce them to glass.”

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Paul Hollister at Pilchuck

Paul Hollister at Pilchuck

Dale Chihuly and William Morris at Pilchuck, 1980. Photo: Dick Busher.

William Morris, Shard Vessel, made at Pilchuck Glass School, 1980. Overall H: 26.1 cm, W: 17.7 cm, D: 18.4 cm. Collection of The Corning Museum of Glass, Corning, New York. (2006.4.173).

Paul Hollister went to Pilchuck in 1982 to give a lecture and took the opportunity to talk to a number of artists there. He conducted interviews with Klaus Moje and Joey Kirkpatrick (discussing her collaborative work with Flora Mace) and later wrote feature articles about all three. He recorded Dale Chihuly’s Macchia Series glassblowing demonstration at Pilchuck, which he witnessed again at New York Experimental Glass Workshop (later UrbanGlass) in 1983 and 1985.

The 1980s were a transitional time for Pilchuck. At the start of the decade, Chihuly resigned from his post at RISD, and Alice Rooney became Pilchuck’s director. Chihuly, together with Mace and Kirkpatrick, started Pilchuck’s artist-in-residence program, which eventually welcomed a wide variety of artists from across the country. In 1981, Mace and Kirkpatrick became the first women at Pilchuck to teach glassblowing. Benjamin Moore, Chihuly’s former gaffer, and William Morris, then Chihuly’s chief blower, both held positions in the hot shop. Moore was also Pilchuck’s education director for many years. By 1983, Moore, Morris, Mace, and Kirkpatrick all participated in selecting the school’s faculty, and in 1984 Pilchuck formed its International Council to bring students from abroad. Paul DeSomma joined Pilchuck’s staff in 1986 and worked his way through several roles in the hot shop. Moore left Pilchuck in 1987 after a thirteen-year tenure. However, in 1991 he was among the first artists—along with Moore and Kirkpatrick—invited to serve on Pilchuck’s board.

 

In a 1982 interview at Pilchuck, Joey Kirkpatrick speaks with Paul Hollister about her work with Flora Mace, discussing the importance of open forms in their work, glass colors, complexity in the blowing of their pieces, and their wire drawing process.

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In a 1982 interview at Pilchuck, Joey Kirkpatrick speaks with Paul Hollister about her work with Flora Mace, discussing the importance of open forms in their work, glass colors, complexity in the blowing of their pieces, and their wire drawing process. Clip length: 08:41. Interview with Joey Kirkpatrick by Paul Hollister, July 29, 1982. (Rakow title: Joey Kirkpatrick and Flora Mace interview [sound recording] / with Paul M. Hollister, BIB ID: 168477).

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Clip 1: Joey Kirkpatrick discusses the importance of being able to see through to the other side of her and Flora Mace’s work. Clip length: 02:30. 

Joey Kirkpatrick (JK):  A lot of times the reason why we use such open forms is cause I want to be able to see through both sides. Like I love how you can look at a piece like this and then see all that on the other side, not even through the glass here, but through it that way.

Paul Hollister (PH): Right, right. And the shapes are getting nice too. The slightly wopsy shape.

JK: Mm-hmm. I think we, I think it was real interesting—

PH: And this one is so much better than that one.

JK: Yeah.

PH: For instance, that’s an earlier one, isn’t it?

JK: Well, it’s that—these are all within the last–some of them even—a couple of them like that doll piece dates to October, actually.

PH: Yeah, I’ve never seen those before.

JK: We just got that one. Actually that one is at the Morris Museum show, I think. I think an interesting thing that happened to us was that when you put the surface decoration on the glass, it creates so much tension on the surface that the form—here, we’re dealing with crystal, right? The Kugler crystal. Here we’re dealing with the glass that’s available in the United States. And what happens is that this surface decoration or what image retains the heat longer than the glass that it’s sitting on does.

PH: [inaudible]

JK: Yeah. And so if I were to take the piece of glass on the pipe and put it in the glory hole and come out and not cool it at all in particular places where the drawings were and just blew, the drawings would pop out like a bubblegum pop.

PH: Mm-hmm.

JK: And so initially when we started doing the process, I think that that seemed, like such a concern to control, to control, to control, because it was so different to see glass not be, you know, tight and right. You know, right on. And so, now that we’ve become more comfortable with the fact that we’re allowing, and we’ve learned how to control—to let the glass take on its own uncharacteristic [inaudible] decoration on top. And that’s—I love these bumpy forms. And I mean I love the sort of—it seems to integrate, you know, the drawings with the glass a lot more, you know, like this one I like.

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Clip 2: Joey Kirkpatrick talks about her and Flora Mace’s use of color in their work. Clip length: 01:39. 

Paul Hollister (PH): It’s a lovely—the plain foggy green, is that iron in the glass, or is that tinted that way? For instance, the one on the end down there.

Joey Kirkpatrick (JK): It’s, it’s—

PH: I think it’s the one on the end down there.

JK: It’s color picked up. It’s a Kugler color, picked up and then it’s gathered over with clear glass.

PH: Mm-hmm.

JK: So all the colors, all the colors on the surface, even if they’re very transparent, are picked up.

PH: Oh, I don’t mean that on the surface. I mean, the tone of the glass itself.

JK: Yeah, that’s what I mean, yeah, I’m sorry, yeah. The body of the glass.

PH: The surface is something you do, you fill that in first, don’t you?

JK: Right. You bend the wires and then they’re filled in with these glass canes by the propane torch. And then—so then they look like this and it’s real interesting because you can’t tell—at this point, you can’t tell the color because the flame has reduced, it’s a reductive atmosphere where the flames [inaudible]. So they appear to be black. These are like a little series of different masks [inaudible].

PH: They look charred almost.

JK: Yeah. And they’re like, they’re very—they’re bright, they’re bright colors, but you won’t know that until the placement, you know, until they get on the glass. You can kind of tell, like here’s a pink and the green and stuff.

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Clip 3: Joey Kirkpatrick talks about the complexity of blowing her and Flora Mace’s work. Clip length: 03:03.

Joey Kirkpatrick (JK): Uh-huh. Real interesting. One thing that we’ve done with some work—

Paul Hollister (PH): A hell of a job.

JK: Yeah, it would be. Well, what we’ve done with some work lately are especially pieces like this is to give it a feeling of that, that is that we blow the piece and while it’s on the punty we cut the lip to follow the figure. So that there’s a very dramatic point.

PH: Yeah, yeah. Stylized.

JK: Mm-hmm. And it’s a heck of a job because you’ve got to open up the piece. And one thing about trimming is it’s always much easier to trim when your hole is smaller, because you don’t lose control. So what we have to do is totally open the piece up and then bring it out hot enough still to cut like this, and it’s very difficult, but we’ve gotten some pieces. We had a piece like that in New York, a green piece that was cut real dramatically like that. And it was—

PH: I don’t think I saw that. I saw several—

JK: And so—

PH: Well, let’s put it this way. Suppose you made this up like that.

JK: Right.

PH: And then instead of just rolling it, you took this cylinder—

JK: Uh-huh.

PH: —got it the shape you wanted—

JK: Right.

PH: —and put drips of hot glass on the side. And then put those on it.

JK: Right. Uh-huh, right.

PH: Cause it would be suspended like a railroad track on [inaudible]—out in front—and it would be an air space in there.

JK:  The—it is a fascinating idea. The thing that I would personally need to figure out is how to make the images expand that way. Cause I would have to be done blowing at that point, you know what I mean?

PH: You wouldn’t know what the diameter—you really wouldn’t know what the diameter was?

JK: No. Well, that I could figure out. But part of it for me, part of the—

PH: If it could be draped over almost like—almost with tongs

JK: Right.

PH: You know, held down with this and this, draped over that.

JK:  Definitely I could do it, but then what I’m saying is once it’s on there, what happens when you put these on is they blow out, and they expand and distort, and to me, that’s part of the—

PH: And in this case they wouldn’t do that.

JK: And I don’t think they would. What I would have to do is blow two pieces and then fold them over. And another thing we’ve done is we’ve blown pieces like this, and then put a drawing, let’s say like a drawing and inserted it like this and closed it off at the top so it’s inside there, but never really—I mean we experimented with a lot of different—you know, trying to deal with perception levels.

PH: They’re great. I’d like that one gift-wrapped. [sound of tapping on glass]

JK: Okay. [laughs]

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Clip 4: Joey Kirpatrick discusses the type of wire she and Flora Mace use for their drawings on glass. Clip length: 01:28. 

Paul Hollister (PH):  Funny, it looks just like a bunch of soldering, doesn’t it?

Joey Kirkpatrick (JK): Yeah, it really is. And actually how—that’s really one way that Flora pretty much developed this technique; she was a welder before she did this. So it really all is very connected.

PH: What kind of wire is that black wire?

JK: It’s a metal hardware wire, solid metal, very pliable. You can use copper wire. You can’t use galvanized wire.

PH: You can buy that at the hardware store?

JK: Yeah. Although there are moments when right now we’re having a hard time finding it.

PH: It’s so fine.

JK: And it’s a little nerve-wracking. We haven’t been able to find it up here.

PH: Your imagery is ahead of your supply?

JK: Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. [eight second pause, recording stops and starts again]

PH: I think I’d like to start out with greeting cards.

JK: Yeah? [recording stops and starts again]

PH: [PH speaking into recorder] That was Joey Kirkpatrick who works with Flora Mace, and I was talking about their pleasant work that they’re doing.

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Klaus Moje talks with Paul Hollister about color in his work, purposely using a limited number of molds, and reworking a new piece in a 1982 interview at Pilchuck.

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Klaus Moje talks with Paul Hollister about color in his work, purposely using a limited number of molds, and reworking a new piece in a 1982 interview at Pilchuck. Interview with Klaus Moje by Paul Hollister, July 28, 1982. (Rakow title: Klaus Moje interview [sound recording] / with Paul M. Hollister, BIB ID: 168474). Clip length: 04:51.

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Clip 1: Klaus Moje talks with Paul Hollister about color in his work. Clip length: 02:20.

Paul Hollister (PH): Is that aventurine?

Klaus Moje (KM): That is aventurine—

PH: Green aventurine.

KM: Green aventurine, yeah.

PH: Beautiful.

KM: Yeah.

PH: Does this—

KM: This opens new possibilities to me—I would cut these through and I cut it crosswise—

PH: Uh-huh.

KM: —and after I have—

PH: Slices and—

KM: Sli— [inaudible] I put that together again, fuse them again—

PH: Make a plaid—

KM: Yeah.

PH: in the other direction.

KM: Yeah, yeah.

PH: They’re—is this the same kind of colors—

KM: No.

PH: —or are you buying them from somebody else?

KM: No, this—no this is a glass that is made in America that is Bullseye Glass which is made in Portland and—

PH: Portland, Oregon?

KM: —Portland, Oregon, and they have a color range of about fifty glasses which should be compatible, and you can really get compatible colors there if you buy the tested glass, so you can—

PH: The ones that are proven.

KM: Yeah, yeah.

PH: They’re not as pretty as your colors though—

KM: They—

PH: —your colors are more beautiful.

KM: Yeah, see if you see the colors are not cullet then they look awful too.

PH: Yeah.

KM: So after—after cutting they will show up.

PH: Yeah they look better.

KM: That’s—that’s very important.

PH: But this color—the—your color sense is wonderful, this color, and that color is absolutely beautiful and that color, and this. That—that satin—I love that.

KM: And after—after I know more about the palette of colors I get from—I can get from Bullseye I think there are many possibilities two of which are not proved up till now.

PH: That’s terrific that one. That is so simple, it’s like sea through the porthole and a ship. The sea and the sky.

KM: Yeah.

PH: Beautiful.

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Clip 2: Klaus Moje discusses using a limited number of molds in his work. Clip length: 01:19.

Klaus Moje (KM): I tried to be very, very simple and work with about five or six molds. And, okay I sat on different flats, different [inaudible] whichever, which were smaller or broader, but mainly I worked with about five molds. This mold, this mold is the same than this mold. This was a—this was a temp I made last year which was suppose—

Paul Hollister (PH): That’s interesting, yeah.

KM: But which also didn’t satisfy.

PH: Yeah. But it would be nice to see that polished down or flattened down, ground.

KM: Yeah [inaudible] kind of polish, it was an overlay of clear glass. [PH coughs]  And in this case, I cut it down, small pieces of these colors instead [inaudible] in this way, the layers from this in that way and in this case in the vertical way.

PH: Yeah, yeah.

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Clip 3: Klaus Moje talks about reworking an unsuccessful piece. Clip length: 01:05.

Klaus Moje (KM): I’m—I’m not really happy with this piece here and—

Paul Hollister (PH): Oh, you mean the little patchy places?

KM: No, no I’m not—I’m not happy with the outer circle here. I have to review that. [inaudible]

PH: Could you—could you take a sheet that you’ve got made up and [inaudible] the different ways so that would go this way if I—the outline—the outline might be just like this might be the outline, but within that it would go a little bit this way and a little bit that way and then the lines go straight across or the pattern goes straight across—straight up and down, but you get a—

KM: —Yeah. If I went to remove the mold and then the lines will—will move with me.

PH: Yeah, a casual mold like that.

KM: —like his mold.

PH: Yeah, yeah. [William] Morris’s molds there where they’re not symmetrical or anything.

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Paul Hollister Interview Transcripts

Joey Kirkpatrick and Flora Mace Interview for Paul Hollister, September 30, 1983.

Flora Mace and Joey Kirkpatrick discuss their work, in a recording made for Paul Hollister.
(Rakow title: Joey Kirkpatrick and Flora Mace interview [sound recording] / with Paul Hollister, BIB ID: 168374)

Paul Hollister Interview with Klaus Moje, February 7, 1984.

Paul Hollister interviews Klaus Moje in Hollister’s apartment.
(Rakow title: Klaus Moje interview [sound recording] / with Paul Hollister, BIB ID: 168459)

Writings by Paul Hollister Bibliography

“Gefühle—personifiziert: Arbeiten von Flora Mace und Joey Kirkpatrick / Personification of Feelings: The Mace/Kirkpatrick Collaboration.” Neues Glas, no. 1 (January/March 1984): 14–19.

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“Klaus Moje.” American Craft 44, no. 6 (December 1984/January 1985): 18–22.

Full issue: https://digital.craftcouncil.org/digital/collection/p15785coll2/id/13720/rec/33

American Craft Council, Digital File Vol44No06_Dec1984

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Paul Hollister, “Gefühle—personifiziert: Arbeiten von Flora Mace und Joey Kirkpatrick/Personification of Feelings: The Mace/Kirkpatrick Collaboration,” Neues Glas, no. 1 (January/March 1984): p. 14.

Paul Hollister, “Klaus Moje,” American Craft 44, no. 6 (December 1984/January 1985): p. 18.

Paul Hollister, “Klaus Moje,” American Craft 44, no. 6 (December 1984/January 1985): p. 19.

Artist-in-Residence Thomas Buechner (left) and William Morris (right) in the hot shop at Pilchuck Glass School, 1982. Photo: Henry Halem.

William Morris discusses how Pilchuck set standards for studio glass equipment.

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Willam Morris

William Morris discusses how Pilchuck set standards for studio glass equipment. Oral history interview with William Morris by Catherine Whalen and Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, June 2, 2016, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 01:24.

William Morris: Because of Pilchuck, we had this pool of resources, of talent and knowledge that came from all over the world. And so the core, the crew—you spent a summer at Pilchuck and you brought in artists from all over the world, best glass artists in the world, you brought ‘em in. You had to work directly with them and you would go visit them at their facilities around the world, and you had a really highly absorbing group of information. And then we’d all come together at Pilchuck and we’d work and we’d figure this stuff out. So we had a unique situation because we had such a constant resource of talent and knowledge coming into the school all the time. And that’s one of the reasons why we would get invited. And no other facility had as much base as we did. So that’s why we would—let’s put it this way: if you walk in any glass shop anywhere in the world now, the standard that you’ll see, that people use, the equipment, all the stuff, it all came from us. Glory hole construction, bench height, torches, all that stuff—we did it all. And it was pretty much developed by myself and Jon Ormbrek during the Chihuly era; throughout the eighties, that’s when things got really refined.

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William Morris discusses how studio glass equipment standards were erratic in the seventies.

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William Morris discusses how studio glass equipment standards were erratic in the seventies. Oral history interview with William Morris by Catherine Whalen and Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, June 2, 2016, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:36.

William Morris: And now it sort of has reached this place where you look at the equipment in those photos and, like I said, bench heights all that sort of stuff, it was so erratic in the seventies. It was crazy, some of the stuff. You know, we didn’t even know how high to put a glory hole. And the Italians just pretty much said, ‘Well you just put it at the level of your crotch.’ You know, little things like that but it made a difference. You go to some facility, you know, in North Carolina or something like that and you’d have a glory hole that was up to your chest or you’d have one that was down on the floor, it was—you know, it was crazy. Now that’s not the case. That’s what I’m saying, it’s—because this is what happened and it made a huge difference in the way we all work.

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Paul DeSomma talks about working at Pilchuck.

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Paul DeSomma talks about working at Pilchuck. Oral history interview with Paul DeSomma by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, October 29, 2020, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 01:07.

Paul DeSomma: I was there from ‘86—and ‘86 to ‘91 and then sporadically after that but I was responsible for running the hot glass shop. The hot shop coordinator was my title and I was also a gaffer sometimes. Ben Moore was the educational coordinator when I got there, and, as I said, I was invited by Bill [Morris] to join his team, but he also got me a job working at Pilchuck during the summers. Now, right off the bat I was not the Hot Shop Coordinator, I was Gaffer’s Assistant, and then I was on hot shop staff, and then over the next year or so I ended up being the Hot Shop Coordinator. So Benny was there—Ben [Benjamin] Moore was there as the—I guess that was his title, Educational Coordinator, so we’re the first couple years and then he resigned from that position and I think it was Pike Powers who stepped in right after him. No, wait, Norman Courtney was in there in that position for a summer, I think Norman was there one summer before they hired Pike Powers.

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Flora Mace, Joey Kirkpatrick and Laura Donefer reflect on women’s experiences at Pilchuck Glass School, tell glass artists’ travel stories, and discuss working during Covid-19.

Flora Mace (left) and Joey Kirkpatrick (center, with torch) creating their wire drawing cylinders at Pilchuck Glass School, 1982. Photo: Henry Halem.

Flora Mace and Joey Kirkpatrick, Doll Drawing Cylinders; entire series primarily made at Pilchuck Glass School,1979-1984. Glass and wire. Overall L: 8 to 14 inches. Image courtesy of Joey Kirkpatrick and Flora Mace. Photo: Robert Vinnedge.

Dale Chihuly, Macchia Form, made at Pilchuck Glass School with the assistance of Flora Mace and Joey Kirkpatrick, 1982. Overall H: 14.1 cm, W: 13.8 cm, L: 22.3 cm. Collection of The Corning Museum of Glass, Corning, New York. (83.4.144).

Dale Chihuly and Pilchuck

Dale Chihuly and Pilchuck

While Chihuly has maintained a strong relationship with Pilchuck throughout his career, he stepped down as a director early on to focus on his personal work. Numerous artistic directors have helped shape the school over the years, beginning with Mimi Pierce in 1973; others include Alice Rooney, Marjorie Levy, and Tina Aufiero. Chihuly remained on Pilchuck’s staff as faculty coordinator for nearly two decades after its opening. He also taught and was an artist-in-residence at the school for many years. Additionally, he acted as an advisor to the board of directors prior to joining the board in 1991. Subsequently he became a trustee emeritus and continued as a member of Pilchuck’s International Council.

 

 

 

Joey Kirkpatrick, Dale Chihuly, and Flora Mace at Haystack Mountain School of Crafts, Deer Isle, Maine, 1985. Image courtesy of Joey Kirkpatrick and Flora Mace.

Dale Chihuly, Stanislav Libensky, and Henry Halem on Lake Washington, 1989. Image courtesy of Henry Halem.

West Coast Glass

West Coast Glass

Pilchuck Glass School has attracted a large number of glass artists to the West Coast. Although glass that comes out of Pilchuck does not have a defined character per se, under Chihuly’s influence Pilchuck played a key role in making the West Coast one of the centers of blown work in the U.S. The Seattle area became known for its highly trained, skilled artists in part because of the steady presence on Pilchuck’s faculty of international glass masters, who imparted glass techniques unknown in the U.S. to the school’s American students. Other schools and hot shops, including Glass Eye Studio and Pratt Fine Arts Center in Seattle and Bullseye Glass Company in Portland, Oregon, sprang up in the region and became additional training grounds for glass artists. Traditional European glassworking knowledge spread to other places on the West Coast as well. Renowned makers such as Marvin Lipofsky, who taught at California College of Arts and Crafts and the University of California-Berkeley, and Richard Marquis, from the University of California-Los Angeles, had traveled to Europe early in their careers. Both brought back skills—Venetian murrine and millefiori techniques, in the case of Marquis—that they passed on to their students. Jay Musler and Flo Perkins, students of Lipofsky and Marquis, respectively, remained in the western United States and established their own reputations. New generations of makers from the Seattle area, such as Dante Marioni—son of studio glass artist Paul Marioni—and Native American artist Preston Singletary, worked closely together and continued to have strong ties to Pilchuck.

Marvin Lipofsky (left) and Gianni Toso, Murano, 1972. BGC Paul Hollister Slide Collection.

Marvin Lipofsky, California Loop Series 1969 #29, 1969. Collection of The Corning Museum of Glass, Corning, New York. (2006.4.151).

“One of the key figures was Dale Chihuly. One of the other key figures…was Marvin Lipofsky. And, they traveled a lot to Europe. And then subsequent Fulbright scholars Jamie Carpenter, Ben Moore, Dick Marquis…and then on and on.”

Toots Zynsky

“As far as Marvin [Lipofsky] bringing people in [to the California College of Arts and Crafts], he brought people in from Europe and from the States—to Oakland, where the campus was at the time. And he would make sure that we were all there and that we participated. He brought in people from Sweden, and from Italy, and various other European cities. And also, he brought in people from the States, and from the Midwest, East Coast, and—you know, whereas a person like me wouldn’t have that exposure, and here it was right in front of me. And it was a good experience to be there.”

Jay Musler
Paul Hollister Interview Transcript

Jay Musler Interview for Paul Hollister, October 11, 1984.

Jay Musler discusses his work in a recording made for Paul Hollister.
(Rakow title: Jay Musler interview [sound recording] / with Paul Hollister, BIB ID: 168398)

Writings by Paul Hollister Bibliography

“Jay Musler’s Painted Glass: The Face of Anger.” Neues Glas, no. 1 (January/March 1985): 12–19.

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Jay Musler discusses Marvin Lipofsky.

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Jay Musler discusses Marvin Lipofsky. Oral history interview with Jay Musler by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, September 5, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 01:48.

Jay Musler: Well, let’s see—I first met Marvin in 1968? And [clears throat] you know, I went—I took a summer session at the California College of Arts & Crafts [California College of the Arts, formerly California College of Arts & Crafts, Oakland, California], and he said, ‘Oh, sure, come on in to the class.’ And so I was new to it and—but you know. Most of the time he wasn’t there. [laughs] And when he was there, he made his presence felt. [laughs] I mean, he was confrontational, and—but you can get around that. And I would talk to him occasionally, but I really got to know Marvin in the nineties. I had a studio in San Francisco, and we had to leave because they were going to tear down the building. So I was—one day I was walking through Berkeley, where I had moved, and I ran into him on the street and I told him my situation, and he says, ‘Oh, I have a studio for rent.’ So I rented from him for 17 years. And I’d see him occasionally. If not almost every day, at least once a week. [laughs] And, you know—he was a complainer. That’s the best I can do to explain—but also, he was a very generous person, I thought—and very knowledgeable.

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Mary Shaffer talks about Marvin Lipofsky’s personality.

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Mary Shaffer talks about Marvin Lipofsky’s personality. Oral history interview with Mary Shaffer by Catherine Whalen and Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, March 21, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:31.

Mary Shaffer: But in the beginning he was sort of an open, loud-speaking man, and he would sit [laughs] in the back of the lecture, no matter who was giving the lecture, and he would heckle the person—he would do this at GAS conferences. He’d yell out, ‘That’s not right!’ you know. [laughs] But he did leave an incredible collection to Corning. He kept everything. You know, he kept every single piece of paper, everything. Which was pretty amazing.

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Toots Zynsky talks about Pilchuck creating a glass culture in Seattle.

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Toots Zynsky talks about Pilchuck creating a glass culture in Seattle. Oral history interview with Toots Zynsky, March 22, 2018, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:11.

Toots Zynsky: [laughter] I mean, Pilchuck [Pilchuck Glass School, Stanwood, Washington] is what created the glass culture in Seattle. Cause people would go there and it’s so beautiful. They’d just stay and open studios in Seattle.

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Flo Perkins, Los Angeles, c. 1978–79. Image courtesy of Flo Perkins. Photo: William Agnew.

“It’s funny, cause I’m from Boston and I went to school in Philly. New York never grabbed me. And then see [in the seventies], they really didn’t have a viable glass scene that I was interested in. It wasn’t so much blowing. Maybe it was more something else. And so that’s why I went west.”

Flo Perkins

Richard Marquis, Checkerboard Teapot, 1979. Overall H: 12 cm, W: 14.1 cm, D: 13.7 cm. Collection of The Corning Museum of Glass, Corning, New York; gift of the Ben W. Heineman Sr. Family. (2007.4.172).

Flo Perkins, Earthquake Ware, 1979. Glass and silicone. Image courtesy of Flo Perkins.

Flo Perkins talks about why she chose Los Angeles as a place to study glass.

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Flo Perkins talks about why she chose Los Angeles as a place to study glass. Oral history interview with Flo Perkins by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, August 20, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:18.

Flo Perkins: I chose L.A. because it was really open. There was no agenda. Dick [Richard Marquis] was there teaching in the sculptures—in the ceramics department, and it was a whole fine arts department, it was a great part on the campus, and it was a good situation down there. And I’d heard of Dick, I liked his work.

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Flo Perkins talks about going to Pilchuck, Mass Art, and then UCLA with Dick Marquis.

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Flo Perkins talks about going to Pilchuck, Mass Art, and then UCLA with Dick Marquis. Oral history interview with Flo Perkins by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, August 20, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 02:10.

Flo Perkins: I went to Pilchuck. Again, I think it was five weeks for three hundred dollars or something like that. I have the original poster, which is cool. And I ended up staying in the area a little while longer than the program and got back to Massachusetts. Once you get into glassblowing you have to go where the facility is. So I went back to Massachusetts, where I grew up, but I had never lived in Boston. So I moved into the city and connected with Dan Dailey, who said, ‘Well, you have a bachelor’s degree, so why don’t you make some work and apply as my first graduate student?’ And so I did all that and he let me be the monitor in the studio at night, and work on the equipment, so that I was sort of the senior presence. And I opened and closed the studio and made some work and that would be the summer of seventy, and that would have been—so for the fall of ‘76. And unfortunately that fall they had a fire in the glass shop—it ruined the equipment in terms of the—there weren’t a lot of computers, but the instruments. And they closed the hot shop for the year, I think. So we all had to do cold glass. And I did do it, and I stayed, but it wasn’t my interest. So by the spring I had met the man I ended up marrying, Bill Agnew, and I left, and I just went, ‘I know there’s people on the west coast.’ Bill had been in New England for 12 years at school and stuff, doing different things, and he wanted to go back out west and I’m like, ‘Let’s go.’ And I knew that Marvin [Lipofsky] was out there and that’s the most I knew, but I figured there was other stuff. And I found Dick [Richard] Marquis at UCLA and I was like, ‘Sign me up.’ And so I—we, Bill and I first moved to Santa Barbara for one year, and then I found Dick at UCLA, so I got in, he accepted me the next year, and so I did three years of graduate school with Dick: 1978—9, ‘80, ‘81. So it must have been seventies. ‘78 to ‘81 or ’82.

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Flo Perkins discusses the spining technique she first used at UCLA for her “Earthquake ware.”

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Flo Perkins discusses the technique she used for her “Earthquake ware.” Oral history interview with Flo Perkins by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, August 20, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 01:28.

Flo Perkins: At UCLA [University of California Los Angeles] in my master’s program, Dick [Richard] Marquis was the professor and—I was making what was called ‘Earthquake ware,’ in other words I was trying to—improving my glass blowing skills and just making cups and plates and so on. And I took white silicone and I put it all over the outside in—as little prunts. A prunt is a piece of glass. It’s German technique and there is one of the glass history books has a beautiful—beer stein that’s all prunted—it’s like little chocolate chips all coming all off the glass and it’s made all in glass? So you take the hot glass and you touch it down and pull it back, snip it off. And they made those pieces in the Black Forest, because everybody ate with their greasy hands, and so then they could hold the cup. The glass cup didn’t slip out of your greasy hands. And that was a—look and a technique that I’ve always—I just loved it. It’s thorny looking, you know, but it’s not hard, and so the ‘Earthquake ware’ was that, but the prunts were silicone adhesives, and they were white. And so they were all over these cups, the concept being if you dropped it, it bounced or if there was an earthquake, it would survive the earthquake, because the glass was protected by this rubber. And you can find that in my work somewhere. The ‘earthquake ware,’ it had a moment—I moved on to something else—and that’s what started me with the silicone.

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Flo Perkins talks about Dick Marquis bringing glass artists to UCLA.

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Flo Perkins talks about Dick Marquis bringing glass artists to UCLA. Oral history interview with Flo Perkins by Barb Elam, conducted via telephone, August 20, 2019, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 00:31.

Flo Perkins: Dick got Therman [Statom] there, which was fantastic, cause Therman is one of my inspiring people. And Dick Weiss came down. So Dick [Marquis] had a pull on all that group of people and he, after I graduated, he moved up to Whidbey [Whidbey Island, Washington] and I moved here. And he was, we—he actually invited me to come up and be his assistant, and I couldn’t do it because we’d already made this plan, and I was married, and I was married in ‘77 to get that off the plate [laughs].

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Glass Editor Andrew Page talks about Pilchuck and the differences between West Coast and East Coast glass.

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Andrew Page talks about Pilchuck and the differences between West Coast and East Coast glass. Oral history interview with Andrew Page, March 22, 2018, Bard Graduate Center. Clip length: 02:32.

Andrew Page: I mean, I think to speak broadly—and you know, not wanting to paint with too broad of a brush on this, but on the West Coast if there is a difference between the West Coast glass scene as it’s centered in the Northwest, and the New York or East Coast glass scene, one of the big differences I think is, well, Pilchuck [Pilchuck Glass School, Stanwood, Washington] brought all types of international figures to bring European ideas, European technologies, European techniques to share with the American scene, which was incredibly important. The West Coast really grabbed on to some of the traditional techniques from Venice. Lino Tagliapietra, one of the first artists to really openly share the historic techniques from Venice, came to Pilchuck for the first time in 1979, and he found such an eager audience to learn the traditional methods which were quite different than the more experimental, asymmetrical outcomes of a lot of sort of early glass artists who prized that crudeness. There was a thirst for the refined, you know, symmetrical, ordered patterns of cane work and they found a real dedicated group of artists who spent the time, who were young enough to develop the hand techniques to achieve incredibly fine results of blown glass. And some say that, you know, it’s almost a decorative approach, it’s traditional, it’s decorative. They’ve taken it to new heights of scale, unconventional colors and interesting shapes, but it’s within a certain framework that one might consider more decorative in focus. And I think you might generalize and say on the East Coast with all that influence certainly at New York Experimental of fine art galleries and artists coming in and dabbling in glass and Louise Bourgeois, Lynda Benglis, Matthew Barney, others who spent time and crossed paths with New York Experimental, there was I think more of a dialogue with contemporary art and you see that in some of the work that was produced at, for example, UrbanGlass versus maybe at Pilchuck. Although it’s really hard to generalize, I mean, I don’t want in any way to diminish the impact of Pilchuck as a crossroads for information, for technique and also for ideas about art. I mean, they’ve had a great visiting artist program. They brought some of the top names in visual arts to Pilchuck: Maya Lin, Eric Fischl, these people have all done important exchanges at Pilchuck. Jim Dine, many others. So they were able to bring through their artistic directors great figures of contemporary art who had great influence on the glass scene on the West Coast, but what lasted and what really coalesced on the West Coast one could generalize and say had a bit of a more decorative focus.

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“There’s some differences [between East and West Coast glass]. And, and we’ve actually taken [collectors] groups to explore that very topic. The East Coast artists, like Howard Ben Tré, Dan Clayman, Dan Dailey. They almost have a little bit of a different aesthetic than the West Coast, and the West Coast is dominated by Pilchuck….There’s much more emphasis on blown glass. And so that is different than the East Coast.”

Habatat Gallerist Ferd Hampson
Pilchuck: 21st Century

Pilchuck: 21st Century

Pilchuck has continued to thrive as a center for glass education and experimentation, but it has always kept the memory of its roots. In 2001 a totem pole depicting Pilchuck’s founders Dale Chihuly, John Hauberg, and Anne Hauberg was created by artists Preston Singletary, David Svenson, and Native wood carvers from Haines, Alaska, and erected at the school. In recent years, under the leadership of Tina Aufiero, Pilchuck expanded its course offerings in innovative directions and developed partnerships and programs to reach new audiences, especially young people. Classes have explored the use of digital technologies in glassmaking, including 3-D printing, and have focused on making objects, such as glass pipes, that have been under-recognized in the glass field. Aufiero, who was a student at Pilchuck in 1979, earned a BFA from RISD in 1981 and taught at Pilchuck before being appointed as the school’s artistic director in 2013. She stepped down in 2018 to pursue her own art full time. Another RISD graduate, Ben Wright (MFA 2009), was named artistic director the following spring. Wright had previously served as director of education at UrbanGlass (2014–19), in Brooklyn. Pilchuck commenced its fiftieth year in 2021.

Preston Singletary discusses his development as a glass artist and making work that fuses the traditions of European glassblowing with his Tlingit cultural heritage.

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Preston Singletary adds the glass potlatch hat he created to the Founders Totem Pole at the dedication ceremony at Pilchuck in 2001. Image courtesy of Preston Singletary Studios. Photo: Russell Johnson.

You know, at the time when we installed this—it didn’t seem risky at all when I was doing it. I always just kind of describe it as David [Svenson] and I sort of in a heroic moment placing the hat on top of the totem, but I remember when I was up there and fixing it, you know, you’re screwing it on, so there’s a threaded rod that’s going up through it, and we drop it onto the threaded rod to sort of hold it in place, and I looked down and there were like 250 people below me. It was just kind of a magical moment. Everybody’s staring up at you [laughs]. It was very surreal. But it was kind of like a dream, you know, that whole session.

Preston Singletary

Laura Donefer (center) with students in front of Pilchuck Hot Shop, 2018. Image courtesy of Laura Donefer.

Guest artist Rik Allen at Pilchuck, 2018. Image courtesy of Laura Donefer.

“Pilchuck is coming into its 50th year of existence [in 2021] in what is clearly one of the most challenging periods of that history. Having just canceled our second season in a row, the immediate challenges of hosting a program devoted to bringing participants from all over the world to experience a deeply symbiotic learning experience amidst a pandemic are very apparent. Pilchuck is an experience rooted in the remarkable residual energy of generations of artists gathering amidst a forest of sentient beings to study the mysteries of glass. That is not a holistic experience that is easily translated to digital and remote realms. But we must learn from this as an organization and a planet as even bigger challenges face us on the other side. The existential challenges of Pilchuck and indeed the larger glass world are simultaneously our biggest opportunities.  We must create a more accessible and inclusive experience leading to a more representative community and  pursue sustainable ways to work with glass that honor and respect the stunning natural environment in which we are located.”

Ben Wright, Artistic Director of Pilchuck